Bug 11130 - Change pl Place-publication index for Marc21
Summary: Change pl Place-publication index for Marc21
Status: Patch doesn't apply
Alias: None
Product: Koha
Classification: Unclassified
Component: Searching (show other bugs)
Version: unspecified
Hardware: All All
: P5 - low enhancement (vote)
Assignee: Mirko Tietgen
QA Contact: Testopia
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Reported: 2013-10-24 11:54 UTC by Mirko Tietgen
Modified: 2018-05-22 15:38 UTC (History)
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Bug 11130 Change pl Place-publication index for Marc21 (1.18 KB, patch)
2013-10-24 11:58 UTC, Mirko Tietgen
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Bug 11130 Change pl Place-publication index for Marc21 (3.33 KB, patch)
2014-03-03 15:50 UTC, Mirko Tietgen
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Description Mirko Tietgen 2013-10-24 11:54:35 UTC
According to ccl.properties, the pl Place-publication index is supposed to include 008/15-17 and 260$a. In record.abs, we have the index include all 260 fields. This patch removes the index for the whole field 260, leaving only $a (and 008/15-17).
Comment 1 Mirko Tietgen 2013-10-24 11:58:34 UTC Comment hidden (obsolete)
Comment 2 Mathieu Saby 2013-11-29 17:31:36 UTC
(In reply to Mirko Tietgen from comment #0)
> According to ccl.properties, the pl Place-publication index is supposed to
> include 008/15-17 and 260$a. In record.abs, we have the index include all
> 260 fields. This patch removes the index for the whole field 260, leaving
> only $a (and 008/15-17).


Maybe it is in ccl.properties, but I believe it would be a bad idea to follow it on this point ;-)

008/15-17 is a coded information about a country
260$a is a plain text information about a town

The 2 information should be in different indexes. In Unimarc, we use pl for 210 (the same as 260) and Country-publication for 102$a field (if I remember well) for the country.

By the way, the "pl" index is completely useless for the average user in an academic or public library, at least according to my experience. Because I've never seen a reader looking for "a book published in London", or "All the books published in Paris".
I think it's more a librarian-centered information.

M. Saby
Comment 3 Mirko Tietgen 2014-01-09 16:07:49 UTC
(In reply to mathieu saby from comment #2)

> Maybe it is in ccl.properties, but I believe it would be a bad idea to
> follow it on this point ;-)


> The 2 information should be in different indexes. In Unimarc, we use pl for
> 210 (the same as 260) and Country-publication for 102$a field (if I remember
> well) for the country.

At the moment, it is 008/15-17 and ALL 260 subfields. I'm not trying to make it worse but better, but based on what is in that file. ;) And I would like to get 260$e (Place of manufacture) out of the index. But perhaps you are right, ignoring what ccl.properties says and instead setting up an index just for 260$a would be a better idea. Maybe others have an opinion on that?

> By the way, the "pl" index is completely useless for the average user in an
> academic or public library, at least according to my experience. Because
> I've never seen a reader looking for "a book published in London", or "All
> the books published in Paris".
> I think it's more a librarian-centered information.

We have a lot of video material and a search for »movies from $country« is very likely. »movies published in London« not so much I guess. ;D
Comment 4 Mathieu Saby 2014-01-10 16:08:37 UTC
By the way, record.abs is going to be deprecated in next version (or maybe later). So if you think that indexing is inconsistent you need to edit also the DOM configuration files.

Mathieu
Comment 5 Mirko Tietgen 2014-03-03 15:50:54 UTC
Created attachment 25768 [details] [review]
Bug 11130 Change pl Place-publication index for Marc21

According to ccl.properties, the pl Place-publication index is supposed to include 008/15-17 and 260$a. In record.abs, we have the index include all 260 fields. This patch removes the index for the whole field 260, leaving only $a (and 008/15-17).

11130 follow-up: DOM indexing
Comment 6 David Cook 2014-03-26 07:07:43 UTC
008/15-17 is actually a bit more variable than "country". Sometimes, it's country but other times it's actually state/province (http://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/bd008a.html). In any case, it's in a coded format, which is probably useless to all except the most hardcore human users. 

Good call on "pl Place-publication" being 260$a instead of the whole of 260. That said, you'll also want to include 264$a...but only when the 2nd indicator of 264 is set to 1 (http://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/bd264.html). You have to love RDA...
Comment 7 Joonas Kylmälä 2015-08-31 09:20:32 UTC
(In reply to Mirko Tietgen from comment #5)
> 11130 follow-up: DOM indexing

Is there a follow-up coming or what do you mean by this?
Comment 8 Mirko Tietgen 2015-08-31 09:41:08 UTC
(In reply to Joonas Kylmälä from comment #7)
> (In reply to Mirko Tietgen from comment #5)
> > 11130 follow-up: DOM indexing
> 
> Is there a follow-up coming or what do you mean by this?

It is already there. The patch includes the original one and the followup patch
Comment 9 Fridolin Somers 2018-05-22 15:38:38 UTC
I note than in UNIMARC pl Place-publication is on 210$a.

There is Country-publication on UNIMARC 102$a.
Should it be on 008/15-17 ? I see 044$a that could also fit.